“I left the Seventh-day Adventist Church to find Jesus.”

After about 40 years in the Seventh-day Adventist Church (in the Southern California area), I left the church to find Jesus.

I had experienced and observed so many absolutely cruel things in my realm of Seventh-day Adventist relationships, that the only sane choice seemed to be to find a church that honored the commandment to “love one another” and I did…within the loving arms of a Sunday-keeping fellowship. The only thing that bothered me was the Sabbath. “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy” echoed through my mind and possessed my studies.

As a child I felt the greater presence of God in my life. I believe that because I had some godly people praying for me, I survived my childhood of an alcoholic mother with bizarre and frightening behaviors, an absent father and later in my adult life a shattering divorce. These experiences left me feeling unloved and unworthy no matter how hard I tried to be good enough to be loved. I have had Christian counseling for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and the counselor wept with me during many of the sessions not understanding how I survived. He told me that the severity of my home experiences is something most people would not live through.

I left the church to find Jesus, now, look at what Jesus did… to bring me back to truth: I couldn’t find anywhere in the Bible that the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday, so that I could enjoy (with a happy heart and a clear conscience) worshiping with my Sunday-keeping church. So, I began the journey back to the Seventh-day Adventist faith.

I discovered that when I used my reasons to not obey the Ten Commandments, that I was practicing idolatry. I was worshiping my excuses instead of God. Using sad memories and past relationship failures as an excuse to not obey God is wrong. Harboring unforgiveness for wrongs done is an excuse. I learned that when I forgive bad things in my heart, it doesn’t mean that the person was right to do them. It means that I forgive, as Jesus forgives me. I learned that anything that keeps me from obedience pure and simple is sin.

The over-riding theme in my healing process is this: Jesus Christ purchased me with His blood. He wants me? Yes, at last I am loved. Jesus loves me. Jesus loves me not because I am good enough to be loved, but for free, like a present, and I want to keep His commandments out of gratitude. Not only the commandment to love one another but all Ten Commandments, too. The compelling story of salvation fills my conscious mind and eclipses human failings and haunting memories. I have chosen to allow Christ to heal my heart and make me sensitive for others who I might be able to help. Scars from my terrifying past are healing as I have resolved to not allow any human failing to keep me from the power of truth.

If you are praying for someone the Lord has brought to your mind, please continue to do it. You never know the long-range effect your prayers may have on someone’s life. If you are discouraged or just plain mad write me. I care about you. You are important to the church. I will help you get started in the healing process. My e-mail address is Vivienne@nwi.net

By Vivienne Evans

Vivienne and her husband, Howard, were baptized and united with the Wenatchee WA Seventh-day Adventist Church in 2002.

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184 Responses to “I left the Seventh-day Adventist Church to find Jesus.”

  1. This was very touching. So many who leave are filled with bitterness. Not you! God bless you my sister, for telling the truth about how mean we can be but also obeying God even when you could have made mean Adventists an excuse not to.

  2. “I was worshiping my excuses instead of God.” Wow that is powerful. Very comprehensive yet brief article. Vivienne is a good writer and I am so glad God brought her healing that she can share with others.

    • Amen says:

      Yes, I loved that line as well. Powerful Indeed!

      • Paulie Rogers says:

        “I was worshiping my excuses instead of God.” opened my eyes to understanding the root of WHY so many leave the church for the same reasons you did. We can’t internalize selfishly. A mature Christian will look at the hurt and see a person on the other side as Christ see’s them; a child in need of love, kindness and patience as well. These kinds of “problems” are to be expected in God’s church because the devil is out to destroy it!!! And we tend to let him………….

    • Annabelle Balboa says:

      amen

  3. Jonathan White says:

    Nice story, but it fails to acknowledge that we are no longer bound by the old covenant/law anymore. so many Christians are looking to the bible to provide some sort of moral code, but I don’t think that’s why it was written. The Ten Commandments were part of the Levitical law that was fulfilled and eclipsed by the personhood of Jesus. You have to disregard large portions of the New Testament if you want the bible to prove that God wants you to worship on a certain day of the week.

    • danserns says:

      Hi Jonathan–

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. If you are interested in what the Bible says about itself and it’s role in our lives I invite you to check out these websites–

      1. Why we can trust the Bible- http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4875/t/is-there-anything-left-you-can-trust.aspx
      2. The role of the Ten Commandments- http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4983/t/written-in-stone!.aspx
      3. The reason for the Sabbath-
      -a. http://www.sabbathtruth.com/
      -b. http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4984/t/the-lost-day-of-history.aspx
      4. The Old/New Covenants
      -a. Why the old covenant failed- http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/88/t/why-the-old-covenant-failed.aspx
      -b. Christ’s covenant- http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/746/t/christs-covenant.aspx
      5. Other Bible topics- http://www.bibleuniverse.com/

      May the Lord bless you as you sincerely seek His Word to know and do His will through His Holy Spirit’s power.

      Dan

      • Jonathan White says:

        Yeah, these are the same doctrines that I’ve been spoon fed since I was a kid. I have just recently started listening for the voice of God and reading the bible with an open mind and am discovering that many of the traditions that I was raised in are more aimed at behavior control than introducing people to Jesus.
        I don’t normally like to post such contrary ideas, but the title of the story caught my attention and I was disappointed that it didn’t reflect the content of the story very well.

        Anyways, I grew up in revelation seminars and listening to Doug Batchelor and 3ABN and I really believe that the Adventist tradition is hitting pretty far from bible truth which is a big reason why I have recently left the denomination.

      • maxine wright says:

        Jonathan think about it my brother; how can we be sanctified by Christ and continue to live in disobedience? Whenever we become disappointed or disgruntled about something in God’s church, it does not change what truth is and it should not let us feel that we will be held to a lesser standard of obrdience.

      • chuck says:

        why would men preach the old covenant in the light of the new…..? Our God is moving the world….pray that your faith won’t fail

    • Eva says:

      I believe that the day of the week is not as important as us knowing the Author of that day of the week. Once you get to know Him, a lot of things fall in its place and makes sense rather than discussing religion, or laws or whatever maybe. “Try it, try it, you may like it” like the Green eggs and ham, children’s story book.

      • danserns says:

        Hi Eva–

        Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

        You say “I believe that the day of the week is not as important as us knowing the Author of that day of the week.”

        It’s true that knowing Jesus is a first step, but Jesus Christ Himself warned us about false christs (Matthew 24:5, 23-24).

        Jesus gave us the Sabbath as a special gift to remind us Who He really is. The Sabbath is a reminder that He is our–

        1. Lord. Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 6:5.
        2. Creator. Mark 2:27-28; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11.
        3. Sanctifier. Ezekiel 20:12, 20.
        4. Source of Blessings. Isaiah 58:13-14.
        5. Only valid object of worship in the New Earth. Isaiah 66:22.23.

        I’m so thankful for Jesus and for the sign He has given us as a blessing. Here’s more Bible truth about Jesus and His Holy Day- http://www.sabbathtruth.com/

        Lord deliver us all from the danger that Vivienne experienced. “I discovered that when I used my reasons to not obey the Ten Commandments, that I was practicing idolatry. I was worshiping my excuses instead of God.” Help us to worship You, the only true Creator, Savior, Lord and Soon-coming King!

        Blessings to you,

        Dan Serns

      • Marie says:

        When you study the Bible you see the Rest of the Sabbath is Jesus. The day belongs to Him, not us. It was made for us so we could rest on the day of His choosing, in Gen. He set it apart for a holy use. He created it for us, on the 7th day of creation so we would never forget all the things He had made for us. The work was finished and perfect. Jesus also rested in the tomb when He had finished His work of saving us. But when you keep on reading Paul and all the others continued to keep the Sabbath holy. Again remember ” my Sabbaths you will keep”.

      • Jesus said: “The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:28). The importance of the Author is much as important as “His “Day” in which the Author is Lord of. If we deny “His Day” it is much the same as denying “His Lordship.” We honor the Lord by giving honor to His day that He also created for a purpose and meaning (Gen. 2:1-3).

    • maxine wright says:

      Hello Jonathan, I think you mean well in your comment, yeah I really do, but there is something that i believe you are probably a little confused about, the “old covenant/law.”
      I’d like to suggest that you read the book of Hebrews, you will get a clearer understanding of the “old and new covenan”t and what made them different. Why do you suppose the Bible was written? The entire Bible is the word of God! if we have to disregard any portion of it to prove a point, then that which we are trying to prove is realy falsewood. Read 2 Timothy 3 vs 16-17.In fact you can read the entire chapter.
      Would you like me to have Bible study with you? I”ll be happy to God loves you and we show we love him by obeying Him.

      • Jonathan White says:

        I just read the book of Hebrews and when I finished I was dumbfounded that SDA doctrines continue to exist seeing as how they are so conflicting with the bible.

        I’m not interested in having a bible study with you because I feel like you might just try to proof text all of your opinions and I am fully aware that people can use the bible to justify almost anything. So I prefer to study the bible with people who have no religious axe to grind and are open to God’s voice. Thanks for offering though.

      • maxine wright says:

        I respect your decision and I wish you all the best in your quest to finding proof to discredit God’s truth!

      • Hi Jonathan White, may I ask you please, are you really sure that those group of people with whom you are currently having your Bible study are totally don’t have any “religious axe to grind” in their interpretation of Scriptures? Are you aware of different views or approach on Biblical hermeneutics? As I read all your posts here I can sense that the group you are involved with right now is somehow influenced by the method of “Dispensationalism” are you aware of that?

    • Chariza Mae Granada says:

      hello Jonathan ten commandments still bound for us human and it is not just a Levitical nor Mosaic law but it is the Law of God written in His own finger and gave it to His servant Moses to tell to the people about it. And if when we say that it was change to 2 law which is love of God and love of fellowman still if we love God we will obey and keep Sabbath holy,not worshiping idols,not using His name in vain, and the love of our fellow we should not steal,commit adultery,covet what is not ours,we shall not kill,shall not bear false witness against our neighbor. Are you not wondering of all the commandments only the Sabbath was taken away and keep other day holy? which is not from Him? That’s why only the 4th commandment has the word Remember because it is so important to us esp to God..remember and keep it til He comes. God bless

      • Jonathan White says:

        Sure, that is one way to understand it.

        I affirm your right to interpret scripture the way you hear it, and am grateful that you allow me to do the same.

        It’s funny that even though I understand the words differently, I still keep a Sabbath. And it usually ends up being on Saturday. The difference is that I don’t do it out of a place of guilt or fear that God will somehow be disappointed if I don’t.

        I don’t see God as one who ever imposes guilt or fear and I see so much guilt and fear in the words of commenters.

      • You people are so funny. The Ten Commandment, the “Levitical” and “Mosaic” law is all one law given by G-d to Moses and he gave it to the Hebrews. How in the world do you come up with this old and new stuff. No where did G-d ever say any of this. SDA try to keep part of the law that fits their needs and do away with all the rest. It is why I TRULY left the SDA church and all it false teachings.

      • Chariza Mae Granada says:

        Hi Jonathan the old covenant that was not bound for us anymore is the law of animal sacrificing / burnt offering because Jesus Christ was the last offering who paid for our sins and gave us salvation.. Even His death He keep the Sabbath holy and on the first he was risen.. Sabbath is always in the past,present and in the coming future…in His soon return all of us will keep His Sabbath holy. The Sabbath was made for us,and not man for the sabbath- MArk 2:27 therefore the son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath…

      • Steve says:

        So many of you seem just like the Pharisees. You have no emphasis on faith and grace and the blood shed at Calvary for the sins of HIS people. Instead you bind yourself to the law. I would wager that you believe that if I don’t worship your way then I am not a true child of God. Salvation DOES NOT come by keeping the Sabbath. It comes by grace.

      • Peter R says:

        Colossians 2:16-19

        16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

    • Donna Manier says:

      Jonathan,
      Is that YOUR opinion or do you have proof that we are no longer bound by the tenets of the Bible? Yes, Christians and others are looking for moral codes, and until they find ones better than the Bible, the words of Jesus Himself, wherein will they find peace?
      Your words make me sad that you think that there is only a portion of the Bible that holds meaning to a searching soul. May God bless you and improve your outlook and increase your faith.

      • Jonathan White says:

        Read my comment again. I said “You have to disregard large portions of the New Testament if you want the bible to prove that God wants you to worship on a certain day of the week.”

        I am trying to read the bible as a unified narrative and that is what has shaken my faith in the empty traditions of Adventism. I no longer can ignore Pauls writings or the historical realities of scripture.

        I also said that we are not bound by the old covenant. Jesus fulfilled and finished that one. The bible reveals the God of the universe and I believe we are completely called to embrace that God. The words you chose in your comment make me think you are embracing the text of the bible and not the God that the text reveals.

    • y2kttmassage@gmail.com says:

      Jesus said to the Samaritan woman; Salvation is of the Jew, Jesus is a Jew, if you want to follow Jesus, do His costume, He goes to church on the Sabbath.
      Even in new heaven Sabbath will be keep according to Isaias. Then who change the worship from Saturday to Sunday? I challenge you find out. God bless

      • Jonathan White says:

        Jesus went to church on Sabbath because that was the custom at that time.

        In the new heaven, we get to enjoy God’s presence every day of the week. What makes you think that there will be a seven day week in heaven?

        I never suggested that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. I believe the Sabbath rest was just made available to us 24/7. I still find value in taking a day to rest from work, but Jesus never said that it needs to be a certain day of the week. He never said that we need to do our church traditions on a certain day of the week either.

      • Steve says:

        And we know that in the Revelation that time will be no more when Christ comes again.

      • Jonathan, let me test your faithfulness in the Scriptures, if you truly loved the Lord you should have respect for his Words. May I ask you, when you said that “I believe the Sabbath rest was just made available to us 24/7.” where did you get that? By whose authority does it originate? Can you share us a Bible verse for that statement please? Th e Bible warns us not to add or subtract to His words. (Deut. 4:2; Rev. 22:18)

    • The truth about if the law was done away with can be watched here: http://www.3angelstube.com/video/630/the-lie-destroying-america

      • Jonathan White says:

        To be honest, I’ve had enough of this dogmatic duckspeak for the past 28 years of my life (I grew up close to Wiemar and Doug Batchelor) so I’m not really interested in a new video or religious writing. I’ve been saturated with it my entire life and it has brought spiritual death.

        Thanks for posting though.

      • Jonathan, it seems to me you know MORE about the personalities and preachers in the Adventist church rather than the personal Jesus. You know more about the “Sabbath” than the “Lord of the Sabbath” when you were growing up in the Adventist church. I can sense here that the problem is not with the Adventist church itself.

    • Jeane says:

      Jonathan, read what another John has to say. John 14:15 quotes Jesus as saying, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” I do love Jesus, and I do keep His commandments.

      • Jonathan White says:

        I do love Jesus too and I keep his commandments.

        Jesus never commanded us to go to church on a specific day of the week.

      • John Allen says:

        It was God the Son, Jesus, Who wrote the ten commandments. It takes study to come to that conclusion, but 1 Cor. 10:1-5, is a start:
        “For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.”

      • Jonathan, Jesus has commanded us to keep the seventh-day Sabbath

        BY EXAMPLE:

        OT: “By the seventh day God finished what he had been doing and stopped working. He blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a special day, because by that day he had completed his creation and stopped working.” (Genesis 2:2-3 GNB)

        NT:”Then Jesus went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath he went as usual to the synagogue. He stood up to read the Scriptures;” (Luke 4:16 GNB)

        BY COMMAND:

        OT: “Observe the Sabbath and keep it holy.” (Exodus 20:8 GNB)

        NT: “As it is, however, there still remains for God’s people a rest like God’s resting on the seventh day. For those who receive that rest which God promised will rest from their own work, just as God rested from his. Let us, then, do our best to receive that rest, so that no one of us will fail as they did because of their lack of faith.” (Hebrews 4:9-11 GNB)

    • Blessings to you Jonathan.

      Genesis 1 and 2 shows us that in the paradise that Jesus created for humans, Sabbath existed. It was long before the Levitical Law, Abraham, Israel or the Jews. Jesus didn’t make any mistakes in the Garden of Eden. There is one thing the Bible teaches us, that from Genesis to Revelation, all of God’s plan of salvation is designed to finally, one day, bring us back to the original paradise that didn’t need to be changed. Sin was an interruption…it wasn’t part of the plan.

    • Ruben says:

      If we do not have to obey the Levitical law, it means that we can have idols, we can lie, we can covet, we can kill, etc. Do you think it is right? You will tell me: “No, we must not do that!!!” Why? “Because it’s God’s law”, you’ll answer for sure!!! But, wait a moment. The problem is the 4th commandment, right? I know that most of the Christians don’t like it. However, in the new covenant GOD WRITES HIS LAW IN OUR HEARTS!!! (Heb. 8:10). That’s why Christians obey the other 9 commandments! God writes 9 commandments in our hearts? It sounds weird! (Read James 2:10-12). Tell me: Where in the Bible you find a verse that says sabbath was only for the Jews? If you find it, I would like to read it!!! If it is so, also the rest of the law was for them, we don’t have to keep it any more…(Read 1John 3:4, Mathew 5:17, 18) Do you understand? God bless you.

      • Jonathan White says:

        I just realized that I still do keep all 10 commandments because they are in fact written on my heart. Even the 4th commandment. I keep it differently and for different reasons than you might keep it, but I do keep it.
        Do you understand?

      • maxine wright says:

        Hey Jonothan,

        As i read your other comments I was reminded of the rich Young Ruler who went to Jesus in Mat 19; 16-22, He claimed he has been keeping all of the commandment from his youth, But the great reader of every heart told him what is problem was! Can you imagine that! He had a heart condition. Obedience is not just in the letter of the law but the spirit of the law also. May I encourage you to read that passage prayerfully and ask the Lord to speak to you personally and He will.

        Let Him lead you to springs of living water where you will never thirst again. God bless you

    • Moli Kaufusi says:

      Rom_2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
      1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
      Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
      Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
      The ten commandments is the foundattion of God’s government.It is the law of love and righteousness,which mean that it teaches mankind to love God with all hearts,mind & soul and also love our fellow man.It also the law of right living.That by loving,we do everything right as we live here on earth and by doing right our life becomes a blessing to those around us.
      If God appointed the 7th day Sabbath as a day of worship 7 rest,,who are we to change that..Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?.Jesus said:Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
      Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
      God requires obedient cos it is the evident of love,Anyway my friend.”Its your choice”

      • Jonathan White says:

        You have great proof texting skills. Props to you.

        I have read all of those verses and have come to a different conclusion than you.

        Is that all right with you? There is a big problem with a christian culture that says “everyone needs to understand and interpret scripture the exact same way I do”

    • Sincere M. says:

      My question before was, Will we keep the Sabbath in eternity? Until I read Isaiah 66:23, that in the new heaven & the new earth all flesh will worship God from one Sabbath to another. Isaiah saw it in the vision given by God. Sabbath is in the Ten Commandments. God’s law is eternal. Revelation 14:12, ” Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God and has the testimony of Jesus.” The Bible says in Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon (satan) was wroth with the woman (church), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

    • I’ll pray for you to have enlightenment.

    • Sola Scriptura says:

      Hi, Jonathan White. I found the various responses you received to be a fascinating read through. I must agree with you regarding “traditions.” I was raised being taught that the day on which you worship DOES matter: the seventh-day Sabbath. (Just so you know, I personally still believe that.) But when confronted with inarguable historical and Scriptural evidence that the Jews counted to the seventh-day Sabbath by using a different calendar, one where the weekly cycles do not align with the modern calendar, so the ancient Sabbath does not actually coincide with Saturday, all the ministers I approached began singing a different tune. All of a sudden, all God requires is that we keep the 7th day Sabbath by whatever calendar society is using.

      Well, that’s awkward. I live in a Latin country. “Sabado” is the sixth day of the week while Domingo, “the Lord’s Day/Sunday” is the SEVENTH day of the week. You cannot find a calendar anywhere here that places Saturday on the seventh day of the week. If it is important to get the specific day correct (and I personally do believe it is) then why is it suddenly UNimportant to use the correct method of time calculation to FIND that specific day? This is where I see tradition rearing its ugly head: it is too hard to worship using a different method of time calculation. It is too awkward to admit to a mistake of that magnitude. Thus, the tradition clung to is the belief in a continuous weekly cycle, even though a little research quickly reveals the fallacy of that assumption.

  4. honnie lee says:

    I love the story about your life and my parents belong to this church. Pray to God is powerful..

  5. glen walker says:

    I’ll see you in heaven and the new earth as everlasting friends

    http://www.prophecymadeeasy.com/chapter33.htm

    (See John 3:16) “God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that I by believing in him, might not perish, but have everlasting life. The experiences related in God’s word are to be my experiences. Prayer and promise, precept and warning, are mine.” – The Desire of Ages, page 390 http://www.prophecymadeeasy.com/

    I WOULD LIKE TO MEET YOU IN GOD’S HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM – Revelation chapter 21-22 – The last two chapters of the Bible! http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2021-22&version=NKJV

    http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/storacle/e/5333/t/the-glorious-kingdom.aspx

  6. Great article, and a much needed perspective! Thank you for sharing!

  7. Letty k iifo says:

    I wl continue praying for u so tht God gve u th strenght.

  8. pathias milimo says:

    Inspiring, may God bless you with you in prayer!

  9. Denis Bosire says:

    wowowwow ,it has really touched me, am going through the same n its worse than when i was going to SDA. Thank you,i will keep the sabbath holy here in Kenya

  10. Ruby Stahlnecker says:

    Thank you, Jesus, for leading me to this site. During my 85 years in the church I’ve seen too many congregations just fade away – especially recently in two locations dear to my heart, but half a world away from each other. One place has great emphasis on baptisms (‘dunkings’) with a minimum of ‘making disciples'; the other from ‘psychotic’ (I’m right – you are wrong) leadership. Where do I go from here!

  11. Rob Mariner says:

    I was an active member of a Baptist congregation for over sixty years. But a letter I wrote to Billy Graham when I was 10 years old gnawed at me for half a century. I wrote, “I have done what you always tell us to do at the end of your broadcasts: Read the Bible and go to a church that preaches Jesus Christ next Sunday. Rev. Graham, I am reading my Bible and I am going to church every Sunday, but I can’t find anywhere in my Bible where it says the day of rest is Sunday.” His answer? “Man needs a day of rest each week, but what day it is doesn’t really matter.”. I wrote back, “If any day can be the day of rest and reflection, then why does God specify the seventh-day of the week?”. I never received an answer. That is until my granddaughter, God bless her, took me to her church, a church that preaches Jesus Christ and obedience to His word. I am now baptized in the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, active in various ministries, Director of the Adventurers Club, deacon, and Master Guide candidate. Thank you, Father, for using my beautiful granddaughter to bring me closer to you. “If you love Me, keep My commandments”. [John 14:15]

    • Beautiful Rob! A little child shall lead them! You are laboring in the most important field! Jesus told Peter first, “Feed My Lambs”. The beginning of the CHurch! Thanks for sharing your testimony!

  12. Beth Nelson says:

    I think we’ve all been offended by our church/other church members at times. Of course it’s the devil trying to discourage us, but as you pointed out, once we know the Sabbath and other truths, and the need to keep all ten of God’s commandments, we can never find real peace in another church. God bless, and thanks for sharing!

  13. Julia says:

    I’m just so disillusioned with the adventist church. I worked for it for five years and I realized that I don’t belong in the church. I am not “well connected” and no one cares if I’m there or not. And it makes me sad. But I know that the Adventist message is the true message. So what’s the harm if I just stay home and stop going to church. I’m a stranger at church anyway. It is not a home for me.

    • danserns says:

      Hi Julia–

      I’m so sorry you have had a bad experience with people who claim to follow Jesus but don’t seem to show evidence of it. I encourage you to look to Jesus, live for Jesus and follow Him wherever He leads you in His Word and providentially. He is raising up His final movement who will be faithful to Him and loving like Him and I believe we all want to be a part of it. I encourage you to visit a different congregation and see if they are healthier spiritually.

      Blessings to you,

      Dan Serns

    • Sister, I feel you! SDA is the true church, the remnant church. Start changing how you approach others and how you reflect on them then things shall be ok. Have the Bible as the true guide, feel good when you help and you are not helped, when you love and you are not loved and JC will not abandon you

    • Fiona says:

      I hear you Julia, I feel the same way. I only go because I know the Lord is there with me and I need the presence of His peace to guide me through another week and I pretty much find that only in the music. People say find another church, as far as I can see they are all the same, Ive been to a few and I know. Someone else said change your attitude, tried that as well. If you are not in the click then no one gives a toss. I look only to Jesus and that is what keeps me going. Hugs to you Julia

  14. Ernie Bartolome says:

    How is it then that Paul referenced the new testament church that believers gathered together at the first day of the week? Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2

  15. Thank U Lord for bringing me here to read these articles,,am so impress and was back slidding from the Adventist faith but I prayed that U renew my strength Father and let me be strong in keeping my faith in God and stay in the SDA Church,,,

    • maxine wright says:

      Hi Mondaymah,

      Am so happy for you that your strength has been renewed! Praise God! May I encourage you to be engaged in a prayerful study of God’s words and you will be steadfast and unmovable! We know Him best through His words cause they are spirit and they are life.
      Its gonna be a little boring at first but, through prayer and sticking to it, you will be amazed how ur life will become enriched. You will have richer, deeper, fuller experience with the savior and nothing, I mean absolutley nothing shall be able to separate you from the love of God, God bless you.

  16. Bayo says:

    This testimony is quite challenging but it is the plain truth. I pray we Adventists will truly reflect the love of our master JESUS.

  17. Oscar Lewis says:

    “The true church is not so much defined by the holiness of its people, but by the truth they posses”- Clifford Goldstein. I too, had a similar difficult childhood and witnessed so much hypocrisy. But by God’s grace, I was able to see through all of that and realized that because the church is full of sinners, we are going to see faulty messengers, but that doesn’t change the truthfulness of the message.
    All through the Bible, God’s people were far from being holy, even going as far as rejecting Him completely. Yet He still called them my people. His bride. Even the apostolic era was not as perfect as some see it. The hypocrisy of Ananias and Saphirra, the prejudice against the gentiles (Peter had issues with that) Paul and Barnabas (leaders) arguing and separating as a team. As a church we are slowly trying to lift Jesus up again… Glad you came back.

  18. A close study of the letter to the Galations helps us (esp.non jewish christians) understand that we need not keep Saturday as a day of rest. Sunday or any other day for that matter may be kept as a rest day. The ten commandments are indeed part of the Old Covenant system and gave way to Christ’s New Commandment “that we love one another”. even though the basis of the New Commandment is in fact the Decalogue. This is not so confusing as it may seem. SDA’s make keeping the Saturday 7th day Sabbath the whole basis of their exixtence.

    The Book of Hebrews is also very helpful in understanding the changeover from OT to NT.

  19. novelet says:

    Praise the lord, keep on being obedient to the word of God. I hope to see you on the sea of glass.

  20. brian says:

    when God says come out of her my people ,He refers to the daughters or harlots of the mother church which offends Him,why ?because their the ones who worshipped sunday,but Gods Sabbath is truely the seventh day.so if you have left to follow sunday,then you are joining the mother church,and others will join Gods true Sabbath church or remnant.what a pity this is.satan definately at work.Think about it people ,Jesus is soon to come and take us home.that is them that Has His character.whatis His character,the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

  21. Pat says:

    1 John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him……Great Story, thanks for sharing.

  22. Tom says:

    I was raised in the 7th Day Adventist Church, and much of my family still belongs to it! I left the Church when I was 16-17 years old. My parents got a divorce and the entire family stopped going to church! When I was 29 years old, and married, my wife and I decided we needed to get out children in church. Adventism was all I knew, and she had been raised a Methodist. After much talk we both decided we needed to start with ourselves. My wife had never been baptized, and our study led us to the desire for her to do so. I called the local SDA church and made an appointment with the Pastor to come to our house and discuss baptism. I did not want to “join” the SDA church, so my question was this, “Can you baptize my wife if she does not wish to join SDA”? He told us he would have to call someone and confer with others before he could answer us. He came back the next week and told us he had good news for us. Yes, he could take us to the lake, and baptize my wife, even if she did not wish to join the church, however, she must first make a proclamation that she believes that the writings of Ellen G. White were ordained by God! I got up out of my chair, walked to the door, opened it, and politely asked the man to leave! That is totally unbiblical, and we knew it! We started attending a Southern Baptist Church, where my wife was later baptized by professing her faith in Jesus Christ! We have now moved on from that church and are very happy in a Bible believing church, we are filled by the Holy Spirit! I did have a difficult time being released from the brain-washing I had received as a child, but the Book of Galatians got me through it! There are 3 things that a true Christian must do, and E.G. White is not involved in any of them! #1 Love God – #2 Love People and #3 Follow Jesus! ANYTHING beyond those 3 things is nothing more than religion – it was the religious people of the day that gave Jesus all of his problems, I don’t want to give Jesus any problems! As I said earlier, much of my family is of the SDA faith persuasion, and they are wonderful people and I totally respect their choice of belief, I had my fill of it!

    • danserns says:

      Hi Tom–

      Thanks for taking time to share your experience.

      I have no idea how anyone in the Seventh-day Adventist movement could ever say the things you quoted the preacher as saying. I’m glad you recognized that this was completely wrong.

      On the other hand there is much confusion in the Christian world about the true meaning of baptism. Here is a brief article about what the Bible teaches about this important subject- http://danserns.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/clarify-to-yourself-and-your-members-the-real-meaning-of-bible-baptism/.

      And here is a link to truth about the blessing of the Sabbath, given by Jesus to all mankind (Mark 2:27)- http://www.sabbathtruth.com/

      Blessings to you and your family as you walk daily with Jesus, and share with others His final message that will go to all the world and prepare people for His return (Revelation 14:6-12),

      Dan Serns

    • Peggy says:

      Shalom Tom,
      I agree that baptism & church membership should be two totally different commitments. I also believe there is a problem if any SDA church is quoting E.G. White more often than actual scripture. The Holy Sprit guides us all to the truth when we ask. One day we will all be worshiping on Shabbat with Yeshua.

      • Melissa says:

        E.G. White would NEVER want to be put in front of the Bible, Holy Sprit, Jesus or God. She NEVER said follow me. She was blessed with an amazing relationship with God and it is to be referenced in that way. God shared visions with her that He wanted shared with us and she LOVED God she didn’t claim to be God. As a Seventh-Day Adventist I have to remind myself that when I am treated in a way that hurts me or doesn’t seem biblical, it is my relationship with God that is most important and believe me I have been hurt but I am holding myself accountable for how I react to the treatment not the people that do it. They are accountable to God. Continue to pray for those who claim to be Christians but treat others poorly. God bless you all and may He give us ALL the knowledge and patience because the end is near and the enemy is vicious!

    • Hallo brother Tom, I understand the predicament you were in and dilemma to make a decision on which church to join. Why did you allow a person to ‘guide’ you? It is sad that you were brought up in the church and your wife too but did not allow the Bible to be Gods word and the Holy spirit to be the only guide that could have directed you to the right path! I will encourage you to READ the Bible under the Holy spirit and you will see the light. God be your guide!

  23. Wren Recalde says:

    Sometimes going to church is plain old work. When you have small children, for example. We used to be glared at, told to take the children to the back room- which was unheated and uncomfortable- it was pointless.

    You can keep the Sabbath without going to church on the Sabbath.

    • danserns says:

      Dear Wren–

      This is tragic! I’m so sorry you had this bad experience. The Sabbath was intended by Jesus to be a blessing!

      In these last days, as we get closer and closer to the return of Jesus, we especially need to not skip getting together with other believers because we need to encourage each other (Hebrews 10:25). I’m so sorry you received criticism instead of encouragement. My prayer is that you can find a group of Sabbath-keeping believers who will be encouragers and who you can encourage. We all need encouragement. And we all need Jesus in our hearts and minds so we can forgive those who have been mean to us and so we, like Jesus, can learn to return good for evil!

      Blessings to you,

      Dan

  24. polgaraHH says:

    The Sabbath as defined in the Old Testament did not only refer to a day, BUT ALSO (and even more important) to CHRIST. If you observe the week of creation, you will see that the seventh day (God’s rest) did not end as the previous six. It implies that GOD RESTED for an indefinite time, as His work (creation) was FINISHED and PERFECT (“very well”). It seemed that this “seventh day of creation” (or God’s rest, Sabbath) was supposed to last forever. There was no need for God to correct His work or to work further after He created the man. Also, God had communion with man during this Sabbath (that, interestingly, was not limited by day and night as the previous six days). HOWEVER, the man corrupted the creation of God when he took the forbidden fruit, he corrupted it with his sin and also broke the communion with God. Now, the God had to start working again. Only this time, His work was not creation, but salvation. A completely new “job”. God was not at rest (in Sabbath) any more. And if you observe EVERY single instance in the Old Testament where God gives orders and commandments regarding the Sabbath rest, you will see that this rest does not represent the rest of a man, but the rest of God (“but the seventh day is the day of the rest of your God…” for instance). The rest from salvation work will take place once the God finishes His work on salvation of corrupted creation, once He destroys the power of sin that corrupted the creation. The Old Testament rest (Sabbath) took place once a week. The people were once a week to restore (as best as they could) the communion with God once interrupted by the original sin. This was the commandment, this was the sign of faith, of certainty that God SHALL restore this communion, destroy the effects of Adam’s sin and also restore the ETERNAL Sabbath as it supposed to be at the beginning. THEREFORE the non-compliance with this commandment meant DEATH, just like non-believing in Christ means DEATH. If we don’t believe, if we don’t live in communion, if we destroy the Sabbath of God (the work of God), we shall inevitably die, just like Adam became mortal once he destroyed the work of God and interrupted His rest.

    And God fulfilled this promise. The Sabbath in the Old Testament was the symbol of the salvation, as many other things. They all pointed out to Christ. And therefore Christ says: “Come to me all you who are burdened and I will give you REST (Sabbath)”. Therefore Christ says seconds before dying “IT IS DONE!” What is done? The work of salvation is done! And now, more than ever, the fourth Commandment is applicable. BUT NOT ONLY ONCE A WEEK, BUT ALWAYS, EVERY SECOND OF OUR LIVES! Just read the Old and New Testament with the premise that CHRIST IS THE SABBATH OF GOD (the God’s Rest) and you will be surprised to see a completely new, even more magnificent victory and salvation God gave us. HE GAVE US NOT ONLY SALVATION FROM OUR SIN, HE GAVE US REST AND COMMUNION WE ONCE DESTROYED! It is not the question of Saturday (or Sunday) any more. Every second of time since Christ’s death and resurrection is SABBATH and we are to remain in this Sabbath of God FOR EVER, ALWAYS, EVERY DAY AND EVERY SECOND OF IT FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. Being in the Sabbath of God (and observing the Fourth Commandment) today means constantly being in communion with God, constantly keeping our faith alive, constantly praying and praising, constantly remembering the great work of God for our salvation, the God’s grace! The entire Bible speaks LOUDLY about this, the entire Bible speaks about the interrupted REST OF GOD after the creation and restoration of this Rest by Christ. Just read Hebrews and the entire Old and New Testament with this premise (the Rest of God is Christ and not just a day, any day), and you will be astonished to realise how magnificent God’s grace actually is. God bless!

    • danserns says:

      Dear Friend–

      Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I encourage you to study much more to see the distinction between Jesus and the day He made holy. Here is a good place to search farther- http://www.sabbathtruth.com/.

      Blessings to you,

      Dan

    • Peggy says:

      Shalom polgaraHH
      Very interesting perspective. Yet I’m still perplexed how your interpretation changed the Shabbat (the only day with a name) to meaning Yeshua being the Shabbat.

      • polgaraHH says:

        I did not change anything, dear sister. It is the clear message of the scripture. Sabbath is the rest; we all agree, GOD’S REST from God’s work, wouldn’t you agree? We, humans, are to enter this God’s rest and stay there, to keep it holy and not to interrupt it or corrupt it with our work as Adam did. Once we enter God’s rest (or Sabbath), we can also cease with our work on salvation and be in communion with God who works on our salvation instead of us. I think we can all agree about this, can’t we? Therefore, interrupring and corrupting God’s holy rest means inevitable death, because it would mean that WE work or try to work on our salvation instead of God, or in other words, our lack of faith. And without faith we are dead, aren’t we?

        Now, in OT, while God’s work on salvation was not yet done, people had the privilege of enetring God’s rest once a week. In NT, when Christ gives us REST and says “It’s done!” the new era begins, an era of PERPETUAL God’s rest. Excuse me, but I tend to believe Paul more than EGW. And Paul talks about this God’s rest in his letter to Hebrews, explaining its meaning to all who have eyes to see for themselves. Only in God’s rest can we be saved, otherwise we are dead. What do you think, what does this mean? Only on Saturday can we be saved or only in Christ can we be saved? Either we are in God’s rest (or in Christ and saved) or we are not (thus condemned). Either we accept this true grace and fruits of GOD’S work on our salvation by entering His rest and staying there, or we refuse it trying to save ourselves with our work (and corrupt God’s rest as Adam did). So simple it is, a child can grasp this. That’s why Jesus says: “Come to me all you who are tired (from your work on your salvation) and burdened and I shall give you REST (or in other words, the salvation he earned for us). So simple. SDAs are just trying to keep the OT Sabbath and missing to see the wood from a tree. God calls us to enter His holy rest and stay there (or in Christ, as you wish). Instead, some brothers and sisters are trying to keep the SHADOW OF WHAT WAS TO COME alive instead the REAL THING. Read Hebrews and the enrire Bible with open eyes and see for yourself. Let the Holy Spirit guide you instead EGW. You don’t need a torch (smaller light) to find the sun (bigger light). God bless!

      • Peggy says:

        I do sincerely appreciate the added explanation and yes it does clear up the confusion I got from your original post. I will ask that you not assume I am a SDA or read EG White because both of those assumptions would be incorrect. Although I see the correlation you are making between the Shabbat & Yeshua, how do you explain that NT scripture states Yeshua kept the Shabbat? Wouldn’t that just make Shabbat the 7th day we are asked to keep holy by G-d as scripture states in the OT? For the record, I love Paul’s writings also. Romans 11 about grafted branches is my favourite.

      • polgaraHH says:

        Dear Peggy, first of all, sorry for any assumptions I have accidentally made, for it was not my intention to be judgemental. I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ, regardless of their denomination. We are all seekers for the truth and our paths sometimes diverge, but we are all equally dear to our God. As for preaching on Sabbath day (Saturday), I will say only this: of course they did preach on Saturday. It was a day of gathering of Jews for spiritual purpose and prayer, and it was the day when the message of Christ and disciples could be heard by a multitude of people at once. If you have a chance to preach to a multitude of people on Wednesday, for instance, because they gather on Wednesday, wouldn’t you do it? Of course you would! It is no sin to preach at any time of any day, I think you would agree.

      • Peggy says:

        No harm done. Shalom. Of course Yeshua taught in the temple on Shabbat, but He spoke to crowds EVERY day of the week. He was Jewish and early Christianity was a sect of Judaism. Had G-d not blinded His chosen people as spoken about by Paul (another jew) in Roman’s 11, the Word would not have gone out to the gentiles at all. I have friends who keep the Shabbat yet go to a Sunday church. My personal opinion…good for them as long as the pulpit message is not contradicting scripture.
        Do I think that only Shabbat keeping people will be in Heaven? Yes!! Because when Yeshua returns we will ALL be keeping Shabbat with HIM. As for now on Earth, Shabbat is only one commandment. There are a total of 613 Commandments in the Bible, with Yeshua telling us in Matthew 22:37 which one is the greatest.

  25. Ada Laos says:

    Hi I feel you when you know whats right is hard to do wrong. Amen

  26. Gregory A Morgan says:

    Dear persons: I have had experiences within the church too! But that is no reason of doubt that to turn to the first day of the week , knowing the true Sabbath! Before the ten commandments were written in stone, the Sabbath was made at creation as well as marriage! So with your own reading of God’s true word, you look to heaven,not MAN! The word ONLY ! GOD BLESS ! Pray before you pay ! Amen!God be the Glory !

  27. Linda Schunemann says:

    ‘I’ve been born in, and grew up an Adventist. As an adult married to a wonderful non Adventist man I started also to question my church’s different beliefs. I even tried atheism for a very brief period but that did not wash for long. For me it is more difficult not to believe in God than to believe in a loving Creator. For me the studying of the book of Romans really opened my eyes and heart to God’s love and care for his children. Sabbath is an institution that points back to God the creator. God instigated it as a day of rest and celebration for work well done.. How can we as humans change that celebration instigated on the seventh day and choose another, It is like celebrating a Birthday on a random day,.and not on the relevant day. Church for me is now a place where I go to rejoice, worship with my brothers and sisters and it is always a wonderful experience. Remember that we the people are the church and we are the ones that need to make it a loving and nurturing place that God intended it to be. You should come and visit my home church at Westbourne rd in Port Elizabeth,,South Africa. We are a large group of diverse nationalities and we have love for each ether and it is a joy to meet with our brothers and sisters. Love to all my SDA family around the world. The Law of God stands firm unchanged yes, but we are saved by faith in Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. The new testament makes it quite clear that the law stands forever, but we will not be judged by it because we have an advocate- one who already have taken those sins on Himself and died to save us. If we truly love Him and accepts His sacrifice for our sin we would want to keep His law, not so? It does not save us, grace does that, but it prepares us for Heaven a sin free place with no sadness.
    Linda Schunemann

  28. Such a blessing to read this! God is so good :) Though others may not show his love He does. The church is a hospital for sinners and by God’s grace we can all be together as one. We should always take this as reminder to stay focused on loving people through the biblical truths that we know . This Church has shown me more love and understanding of the bible then any other group of people and I wish that to be others experience as well as they come to know their awesome Saviour!

  29. I have my own story of searching; I should name it ““I left the doubt about the Seventh-day Adventist Church to find Jesus.”…

  30. Deborah says:

    my daughter has done the same thing .she has left the church because of the treatment she got at our local church she is now going to a Methodist church.she likes it because the people there are very nice to her i am praying for her . but i dont know what else to do for her

    • danserns says:

      Pray for and with her, love her lots and lots, find fun things to do together, apologize for unchristlike treatment she received from those who call themselves followers of Christ, give her literature and invite her to church activities from time to time, never put down any person of any religious background, speak often of Jesus, His Word, and His precious promises, especially His promise to return soon. And keep praying and loving.

  31. Gregg says:

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you cannot worship on Sunday. The difference is if you label Sunday as the Sabbath. MOST Sunday churchgoing religions do NOT call Sunday Sabbath. (The individual members may, but not the church/doctrine.) “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy” …. you can, and many do, worship any day. Why, *gasp*, some even have prayer meetings on Wed/Thur evenings; or vespers on a Fri night. (The horror of worshiping not on Sabbath! How dare they!)

    Worship any day you want to, but Sabbath is Sabbath.

    • danserns says:

      Hi Gregg–

      Thanks for taking time to share your thoughts.

      God’s final message to the world before He returns includes the call to fear/reverence Him, worship Him as the Creator and to keep His commandments because we have the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:6-12). We should worship Him 24/7/365. But to truly worship Him we must “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.” How do we do that? We are to “not do any work”. We are to experience the rest, blessing and sanctifying power He gives in a special way on “the Sabbath of the Lord your God (Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3).”

      If you would like to learn more about His special gift of the Sabbath given to all mankind (Mark 2:27) I encourage you to check out this website- http://www.sabbathtruth.com/

      Blessings to you,

      Dan

    • Peggy says:

      Shalom Gregg
      I agree completely that we can all worship Adonai on ANY day. We should worship him EVERY day! I agree there is no denying that Shabbat is Shabbat but technically, Shabbat starts at sundown on Friday night. I rejoice in knowing that there will be people of all denominations in Heaven when Yeshua returns!

  32. Rosalie van Putten says:

    I am so glad that God kept you alive long enough to find your way to Jesus! I say that sincerely. Many who leave the church harbor bitterness and the devil snatches their lives before they can complete their journey. I applaud what you found, and your baptism in 2002. So many have “reasoned” or “excused” themselves out of the church. I know of someone who was a SDA pastor who now speaks about being under the new covenant. Result: no Sabbath observance, eats pork and shrimp, partaking in questionable behaviors and much more. At least your search brought you close to the Lord. So often, the devil shows us other things and we get lost in our pursuit of right. Thank you so much for posting your story. May your testimony be a blessing and a catalyst to many.

  33. Renotta Signs says:

    The title caught my eye, so I decided to read to see where this story was going. I am a member of the Seventh-Day Adventist church in Ankeny, Iowa. I have gone through pretty much what is written in the article. I have tried attending church (so many different ones) but after listening to all of the different versions they seemed like they were preaching from their mouths and not the bible and everyone would say different things. I was so confused on what to do so I quit going to church all together and began my own journey. March of 2009, I started having devotional with my sister and her family and my mother was on her death bed. My mother would ask us kids to read her spiritual stories and the bible and remind her of her faith in God when she was to weak, but as I was reminding her the Holy Spirit started to inter into my heart and I began going to the SDA church with my sister, which has been trying to get me to go for over 10 years. I gone through the prophecy meetings and I loved how they used the bible and provided the scriptures to follow along. I received so much information from those meetings and my faith in the Lord has grown strongly and since I have been attending the SDA church I feel in my heart this is where God wants me. I don’t consider SDA as a religion but a life style. And if you notice out of all the 10 commandments, number 4 is the only one that says “Remember” and reason behind that is because God knew that most people WILL forget, God knew well before he wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger that most will not follow but just because it’s in the old testament does not mean we should disregard the laws. The old testament was written before Jesus and the new was written after Jesus died on the cross. I Think that is the only difference between the books. We no longer sacrifice animals because of Jesus dying on the cross that saved us all and we no longer do our own sacrifice because Jesus has already done it for us, so I see we owe Jesus our life. We should obey the laws that God Himself wrote. I pray that everyone finds their way to Jesus if it being with SDA or your own church but make sure it’s the complete truth. Make sure you feel what is right in your heart. God allows us to make our own choices but He is hoping we will make the right choice.

  34. Dan Kelly says:

    Sometimes it becomes a matter of “God says, but I believe!!” It is so easy so set aside what God has plainly spoken and base what “I believe” on an interpretation that accommodates the setting aside of the clear word of God and its intent. Rev 14:7 clearly stated that we should “worship (God) who made” all things. At the end of the Creation of “all things” he ended HIs work and rested on the Seventh day of Creation. That’s where it all began, certainly not at the time of the seting forth of the Levitical law. This is a common mistake that many honest folks make.

  35. Johnny says:

    Please continue to pray for the church. May the Lord help us break the racial and cultural barriers so that we can obey Him and unite as one people instead of separate churches and conferences based on color.

  36. John Paul says:

    the Sabbath have nothing with Christians today. if you want to observe it that is choice, but God never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath beside the children of Israelites. that is why there is no command in new testament for it. you want to obey God that is good but obey God when he is talking you not when was talking to someone else. Exodus 20:1-2 and Deut 5:15 make it clear to whom God was speaking to.

    • John Paul, Jesus summed up the commandments in the New Testament. Here is one location: Matthew 22:37-40 – 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” This is a direct reference to Deuteronomy 6 (specifically verse 5) & Lev 19 (specifically verse 18), which is referring to the 10 commandments, and he says that all the Law and prophets hang on this summation. You will notice that the first 4 commandments reference how we are to love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and the last 6 are a reference to how we are to love our neighbor. So the summation reveals that the Law is a law of Love, love being the key to his Kingdom. You may also know that Jesus only had what we now today call the Old Testament to reference, so all His references are in keeping with it. Jesus also says in Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” The Law referenced is again referring to the 10 commandments, and he says he does not come to abolish but to fulfill, which means to bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted), carry out (a task, duty, or role) as required, pledged, or expected. In other words, He came to show us how to achieve or carry our or fulfill God’s law in our lives as He did in His life here on Earth as our example to follow. Jesus also says in John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My Commandments”. So once we accept Jesus as our Savior and Lord, he wants to fulfill the Law of Love in our lives. The New Testament also reveals in Hebrews 10:16 that “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Again this is referring to the Commandments and this is a direct reference from Jeremiah 31:33 where it is also promised to Israel, but today we are spiritual Israel and God’s ultimate plan has always been to bring us back in tune with the Law of Love, whereas sin is the transgression of His Law. God’s plan all along was to write his Law on our heart, so that we would once again be in harmony with God and the law of his Universe rather than in disharmony or sin (which means missing the mark). So the promise is repeated in Hebrews for the New Testament church. Jesus also reveals in Matt 5:18 “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” So the Law is binding at least until Heaven and Earth pass away, which obviously has not happened yet. Also Hebrews 4 talks specifically about the 7th day Sabbath rest and that God did not speak of another day, but we are to enter into His, God’s rest day just as He did. Here’s a link to it – http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+4&version=NIV. You will also see all throughout Acts that the Apostles even as they are teaching the Gentiles all kept the Sabbath day as a rest day and the Gentiles did too. You could also say that Jesus who is the expressed Word of God according to John 1 is the living epitome of the Commandments (as He came down and showed us how to live in harmony with God’s law) the ONLY words that God himself wrote on stone, meaning they are unchanging, holy and true just as God is unchanging, holy and true.

    • Peggy says:

      Shalom John Paul,
      G-d gave the commandment for Shabbat to Adam & Eve in the garden. This was before there were even Israelites. That is stated in Genesis and I believe he set it in place for mankind.

      • polgaraHH says:

        Where is it stated in Genesis (or any other book of the Bible)? Could you kindly give me the verse, I would really like to read it. Thanks in advance and God bless!

      • Peggy says:

        Since the Shabbat is mentioned 174 times in the Bible, I will have to get back to you on the list of each scripture verse. Keep in mind that it is the ONLY day that G-d named while the other 6 are always referred to as just numbers. Yet we can start In Genesis Chapter 1 the bible talks of creation. Scripture states that man was created on the 6th day. Adam got the privilege of naming every animal on the planet. Do you not think he was included in G-d’s plan for that 7th day and was instructed what to do on that ONLY day that was blessed, sanctified and hallowed? If Adam wasn’t told what to do with that day then why did Adonai set it aside at the time of creation?

      • polgaraHH says:

        Dear Peggy,
        NOT ONCE is the Sabbath (as a day) mentioned in Genesis, NOT ONCE!!! In the report about the creation, the word “sabbath” (in a verb form, not as noun) is used to say “God rested/ceased to work”. Between this report and desert in Exodus there is NOT A SINGLE REFERENCE to any day of worship. Two examples: Neh. 9:13-14 ““Thou camest down also UPON MOUNT SINAI, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And MADEST KNOWN UNTO THEM THY HOLY SABBATH, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:” Now, why does the Bible says “AND MADE KNOWN TO THEM” instead “you reminded them of your holy day that they had forgotten…”? Secondly, of all these 174 reference to Sabbath you mentioned, NOT ONE command about the Sabbath says: WORSHIP YOUR GOD ON THAT DAY. NOT ONE!!! They all only forbid work on that day, whereas Jews were to make sacrifices EVERY DAY (twice, in the morning and evening). EVERY DAY in the OT was the day of worship and sacrificing, EVERY DAY, and the work was forbidden on the seventh day (NOTHING MORE, find me JUST ONE command for the Jews or Christians to have their worship ceremonies on the seventh day of the week). As Jews were forbidden to work on Saturday, they used that free time to gather in the Temple and preach, but they were to worship and give sacrifices EVERY DAY of the week. Could you or anyone prove this statement wrong, based on the Bible only: The command NOT TO WORK on the seventh day was stated in the OT, but NEVER the command that this seventh day should be a day of worship. Find me just one instance on more than 1000 pages of the Bible that this is not so, and I will become an SDA the next day, I promise and God is my witness.

      • Steve says:

        Nice reply. A whole belief has been built on what day one should worship rather than on th substitutionary death of Christ. Jonah said salvation is o The Lord. That’s pretty clear cut. No where in scripture only do we read that our salvation hinges on the day we worship. Where is grace in this equation if I must do something to earn my salvation? For by grac are we saved…

      • Peggy says:

        Boker Tov pogaraHH,
        You are correct. No where in the bible are the words to “worship” on Shabbat. We are simply instructed to keep it “Holy” which leads to various interpretations. You can and should worship on everyday of the week, but we should all agree that there was only one day (the 7th day) that was blessed, hallowed, and sanctified. One day, the 7th day, we are to rest from work, buying, and selling. One day, the 7th day, we are to call a delight. One day, the 7th day we are to set apart from the others and make it uncommon. If you don’t want to “worship” on that day, that is your choice. I’m going to end further public discussions with you because I’m sensing a bit of hostility. Besides the fact of you becoming a SDA is not, nor ever was in my agenda. I personally choose to worship the LORD everyday. May the new year bring you blessings of Shalom and may your name be written into the book of life.

  37. John Paul says:

    Oh the wisdom in Hebrews 4 is so amazing! You have to see what He is talking about here!

    Why does he call this a Sabbath-rest? He is not slipping in a command for the seventh-day Sabbath. That would be totally out of context. His exhortation throughout this book is telling Jewish people to look to Jesus. He is not urging them to do a better job of keeping Jewish customs.

    The ancient Israelites, who had the Sabbath, did not enter the rest he is talking about. God’s rest is entered by faith — by believing the gospel (vs. 3-4). The author is not interested in a day of the week — he is concerned about how people respond to Jesus. A person who keeps the weekly Sabbath but rejects Christ has not entered God’s rest. We enter God’s rest only by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Why then does he call this a Sabbath-rest? By using this word, he indicates that this is what the Sabbath pointed to. Just as the bronze snake pointed to Jesus’ crucifixion, and the washings pointed to forgiveness, and the sacrifices pointed to Jesus, similarly, the weekly Sabbath pointed to something spiritual: our rest through faith in Christ.

    It is available — we may enter God’s rest. Don’t put it off — do it today!

    “Anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his” (v. 10). God rested from his creative work, but what kind of work do we rest from? What do we quit doing when we come to have faith in Christ? The work of trying to earn our salvation, the work of trying to qualify for the kingdom. When we look to Jesus for our salvation, we quit looking to ourselves.

    • I think you may have missed the point as Hebrews 4 does reference a specific day and command, but it can only be truly kept in the Spirit, and this is what he was trying to tell the Jews as they were trying to keep the law of their own accord, which is impossible. Yes, we must accept Jesus in our lives and then and only then can we come to Him on His day and truly find Rest as we are in the Spirit. The Sabbath existed before a Jew was ever born as it was established as stated in Genesis 2:2 at creation and God blessed the day and sanctified it or set it apart from all other days for holy use. It is not a day for the Israelites alone. God wrote the commandments out at the time of Moses as the world had moved so far from knowing them any longer and he was trying to bring His people into accord with his Law. Of course, we can only find Holy rest in it, if we are spiritually connected to Jesus, not just trying to keep it of our own accord in attempt to find Salvation. The Israelites were supposed to look forward to the Messiah in Faith as we are now to look back to Him in faith. We don’t find salvation in the Law, we find Salvation in Jesus death and resurrection for us, and he then give us the power to break from sin and keep his law spiritually by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which He does by writing it on our hearts. The law is eternal just as God is eternal as it is a written revelation of God’s Love.

      • MUHINDO RONNIE says:

        Bright,you have brought the point home to me,our day of rest is when we heard the good news of salvation,that day we proclaimed Jesus as our savior is when when we entered our rest and this rest continues daily until the new heaven and earth come when we rest totally from the devils attacks.So Jesus is our sabbath-rest.whether you worship on Saturday or Sunday or any other day of the week and cheapen or under look the work of Jesus on the cross,your worshiping a mere day and not the creator-Jesus Christ
        MUHINDO RONNIE.

    • Cordell Reiner says:

      Interesting comments. I found this site by accident, so I thought I would ask a question. If God created the earth in 6 days and at the end said it was very good, then why did He even make a seventh day? Was it because he wanted us to bow down and worship him? I don’t think so. Was it because He was tired or knew that adam would sin and he would need rest?. Remember He gave us a free will and that is dangerous in a world of sin. so why and what was the purpose in creating a 7th Day.?????????????

  38. John Paul says:

    Did You know that there are Over “800 + Commands” in Scripture…? IF You falsely say you keep ONLY: “Keep the 10 Commandments”… YOU are missing those OTHER… “Precepts, Statutes, Judgments, Testimonies, Ordinances, Laws, Words and the Like!” [Psalms 19:7-to-14 & Psalms 119:97-to-104] That is why “Biblical Salvation Justification”… CANNOT come, by “Law Keeping!” The OT Jews could NOT keep and did NOT keep the Law of God! How can You say “You keep the Law”…? Sorry You Cannot…!

    • danserns says:

      Hi John Paul-

      Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I noticed that you have submitted quite a few comments that have become more and more critical.

      While we respect your freedom to have your own opinions we want to keep this blog free of personal and group attacks. As a result we have only approved your comments that meet this criterion.

      I believe you will find most of your questions answered at http://www.sabbathtruth.com/.

      May the Lord bless you as you seek to learn His will for your life and to become one of that final group “who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12).”

      Dan Serns

  39. A great testimony, and love is definitely the key to being restored, and being able to keep the commandments. Love is at the heart of the commandments as they are totally about loving God with all our heart, mind and soul (1st four) and loving our neighbor as ourself (last six). Of course we first have to learn to forgive and love ourself, and Jesus provides that means by forgiving and loving us first. I’m glad you found love and how to love one another. Many miss it and it makes for a sad Christian life.

  40. Peggy says:

    (Matthew 5:17, 18) Yeshua states – “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Last time I looked outside the Heaven & Earth were was still intact. What did Yeshua state was the GREATEST commandment? In Matthew 22:37 & 38, He quotes the answer as given in Deuteronomy 6:5.

    You can worship Elohim any day, even Sunday. I would hope that you worship him on all 7 days, but we were GIVEN a holy day to spend with ONLY him on Shabbat. I encourage you to look at this as the gift it was meant to be & not a curse or old law that was nailed to the cross.

    I would also encourage fellow Christians to do research on the customs & traditions that they choose to celebrate over the customs & traditions of our Lord. The Bible states which festivals we are to keep holy & I haven’t read one yet that includes a lighted tree or a fat man wearing a red suit.

    We are approaching Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year. The day on which we are closest to G‑d and to the quintessence of our own souls. It is the Day of Atonement–“For on this day He will forgive you, to purify you, that you be cleansed from all your sins before G‑d” (Leviticus 16:30).
    Lets lift all our brothers & sisters in prayer, no matter the denomination.

    • Anika says:

      I realize that “God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made” However, is it not interesting that there is NO mention WHATSOEVER of anyone keeping a Sabbath – up until Exodus 16:23. The Sabbath is not mentioned once. That’s 2000 years of no reference to the Sabbath or of anyone keeping it.

  41. Praise God that you have found Jesus, Vivienne. We all have different paths to Christ, and some people never finish their journey to Him. I am glad that you did.

    It appears from your story, though, that the Seventh-day Adventist Church was not the reason you didn’t find love and acceptance. A person’s family has the greatest influence as to whether a child comes to know God. Obviously your family life as a child was very hard. I am so sorry that you went through that.

    Thank you for sharing your story.

  42. Teddy R says:

    I’ve met a Dentist who graduated from LLU which is SDA instituon. She never did accept SDA as her church, but she acknoledge that what SDA believes are true including the Sabbath. She refuse to join the SDA church for the same reason as you are. People are mean and very judgmental she said. It’s too bad for the right church to act wrong, but that should not and will not change the truth. Feelings will not take us to heaven, but acknowledging the truth and use our feeling to follow the holy spirit guidance to accept the truth will set us free. And remember truth is Jesus who had gave us the salvation.

  43. Audrey Goni Pelapory says:

    Thank you so much for sharing your story.

  44. Steve says:

    It seems like an extremely important point is being overlooked here. What about man’s desperate need for a savior. Apart from Christ we have no hope. Salvation is thru Christ alone, by grace alone, by faith alone. Salvation is not found by worshipping on a certain day. Worship or the act of is a work, and not of works lest anyone should boast. I belong to an evangelical church. Many of which are also Calvinist. But Calvinism didn’t save us, nor did worshipping on Saturday. We are saved by the blood. So, instead of demanding a certain day, we should be pointing people to the cross. We should all be running to Christ as my dad would always say as he finished his sermons.

  45. Ian says:

    Thanks for the story. It wasn’t what I was expecting given your heading but I take encouragement in the part about not letting the excuses or the past rule your relationship with God. I grew up Adventist and still am but the way people are treated in the church ain’t right. That’s not to say it happens all the time but the fact that it does, is disappointing. The sad thing about this page is not your story but some of the comments that have been left. Trying to prove you’re right by arguing over NT texts just makes you look like a Pharisee. Personally even though I grew up Adventist I had to discover the meaning of the Sabbath to God and what that meant for me. Not with the law argument or text after text but with rediscovering why God made it a part of human history in the beginning … yep not Jewish nor Adventist history, but human history … in Genesis 1 and 2. When I found the answer to the “why” God initiated it in the beginning I fell in love with God all over again including His Creation and yep His Sabbath.

  46. So glad that you are back- Amen- Christ suffered more than we can imagine- God bless; follow me on opalmassey.wordpress.com

  47. Joanne says:

    God calls us to obedience, the Bible tells us that His commandments are not burdensome. it also says if we trully love Him we will keep His commandments . Eccl. 12: 13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
    14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
    The patience of the Saints, Rev 14:12 ¶ Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
    God Bless abundantly

  48. RON says:

    The weekly Sabbath in the Old Testament was a shadow of the things to come when Jesus would cut a new covenant for both Jew and Gentile.

    The Sabbath was not for community worship. No where in scripture does it command us to congregate on a Sabbath.

    The Lord said to observe the Sabbath day and keep it holy…it was a day of rest.

    Gathering in synagogue on the sabbath started after after the return from babylonian captivity in the times of Ezra.

    The Law was a fore-shadow of things to come; but the substance is Christ. Come to me all who are heavy laden and i will give you rest (Sabbath).

    In Christ we have our Sabbath fulfilled. We are at rest…seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

    We are called or encouraged to worship and congregate on all days of the week, for we have a King who has redeemed us from the curse of the Law.

    Come up to a higher place in Christ, than fighting for days and moon phases; for our Lord is risen and we ought to thank Him always.

    Romans 8:2″ For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

  49. Eleanor says:

    I am so glad to have come across this site. I am engaged to a wonderful man who was recently baptised into the SDA faith and I thank God for bringing him into my life. Growing up in an SDA home it had become, as previously commented, a way of life for me and through Sabbath School, Pathfinders and Youth activities I never had any reason to question. That is until I met my fiancé who had many questions. I have been forced to re-evaluate and rediscover JESUS outside of doctrine and do’s and dont’s and it has been an amazing journey. I am returning to my first love and am slowing beginning to feel the peace that only God can give. Thank you for this site and the thoughtful comments from everyone. All the scriptural references are aided my fiancé and myself in preparing ourselves for the soon coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Oh, one last thing! This quarter’s sabbath school lesson study has been an absolute blessing! May the grace of God be with you. Greetings from South Africa!

  50. Memory says:

    I was truly blessed. I am a seventh day but some of the posts were just eye opening. let us continue praying for the church and let us remember that Jesus is coming again very soon!

  51. Stephen Ouma Okumu says:

    It is important that we Adventist show love for one another so that the rest of the world may learn from us.

  52. Bernadette Callender says:

    Praise God from whom all blessings flow. Thank u . True love.

  53. Melissa says:

    God NEVER changes. The Sabbath is Sabbath. The 10 Commandments were written by God’s own finger and given to Moses. We cannot make anyone believe what they don’t want to believe but we can PRAY that the Holy Spirit reveals to them the truth. We are ALL sinners no one’s sin is greater or less then the next person. Why can’t we just LOVE and PRAY for one another. The enemy is winning when we criticize one another. We can stand FIRM in our LOVE and BELIEF in God/Bible without being mean to anyone. I personally want to keep the Sabbath and the 10 commandments. I anticipate Friday sundown to Sabbath sundown. I struggle everyday with the enemy keeping my relationship with my heavenly as strong as I can. I fail but I keep going. I pray that each and everyone of you who have been on this amazing website is blessed by God and that we can meet in heaven one day soon.

  54. Kevin says:

    Thanks for sharing your heart. I like that you are using your experiences as a gift. It is called the gift of consolation. We can harbor our bad experiences or we can use them for the cause of Christ. Thank you.

  55. Jenna Pratt says:

    I’d so like to remind people that the church is made up of people. Furthermore, it is made up of people who are trying to serve God. Therefore, with these two components, how can you expect to find a church that is perfect? DO you really think that with our sinful natures and an adversary who has thousands of years experience, that the church would be “perfect”. If we want a perfect church, we must be perfect, which the bible says that we can, but it didn’t say that it will happen in the twinkling of an eye. So as we strive towards perfection, we will do some wrong things, that’s why there is grace! As for the commandments, has anybody noticed that there is not one single thing in there that will do us harm? I love it when I am doing what God has directed in those commandments; life is so much easier. I love the truths that the SDA church encourages me to live! They sure make my life a lot easier!

  56. Christopher Manuel says:

    I want to thank you for your story. It speaks volumes over the many comments and replies that I have read of others. I believe like you, in a nutshell, that “if we are in love with HIM (Jesus) we’ll do whatever HE says.” All scripture is “God breathed” II Timothy 3:16

  57. Jonathon White,

    You are right on the money, you have hit the nail squarely on the head!

    Steven Sczekan

  58. Alan says:

    Where in the Bible does it state that Saturday is the 7th day? Does it specifically say Saturday?

  59. Philippe Buttin says:

    I have met Jesus at the SDA church after 27 years of drinking. If I love Jesus from all my heart, all my soul, I will follow ALL His commandments (including the seventh day), a joyful day to reconnect and communion with Him. Amen. I will be praying for you.

  60. Uriah says:

    I left the SDA Church for Theological reasons.. The people were nice enough, leaving their fellowship was the hard part.

  61. Steve Wood says:

    There seems to be a lot of conflict here to prove what people perceive to be the truth as to what is meant in God’s word. Johnathan, you give the impression that you are an angry-bitter person on the defensive. Peace within our hearts is most important not striving about what we feel as to our beliefs. We are to have edifying conversation not strife. Bless you Brother!

    • Jonathan White says:

      To be honest, I am angry.
      I relate with the Uriah guy who posted above… I love the church and the Adventist people. Adventism has been my life up until now so leaving has been painful and hard.
      I think the reason I’m angry is my love for the church. I think it’s a tragedy when people follow a collection of doctrines instead of following Jesus. There is a shift that happens when a person meets Jesus and understands who God is apart from the legalism that so many Christians impose on Him.
      I have been in some sort of church leadership for the past ten years (mostly music and worship ministry) and I have been wrestling with this the whole time. I realized that God didn’t intend for my entire church experience to be as combative as Adventist music ministry lends it’sself to be, so it was either give up church music, or give up the denomination.
      That is why I come across as angry. God is healing the wounds of battle, but narrow minded legalism still gets me all wound up.

      Peace to you.

      • danserns says:

        Hi Jonathan–

        I’m so sorry you have had a bad experience with church music, which happens in many kinds of churches. But I’m especially sorry that it happened in a Seventh-day Adventist Church.

        You can be sure the devil likes to make God’s church a battleground between people.

        I believe the Lord can help us learn to have soft and tender hearts toward Him and toward each other, where we can love the people who love the music even if we don’t love the music.

        May Lord bring healing to your heart, your relationships and your commitment to His final mission on Planet Earth.

        Blessings to you,

        Dan Serns

  62. Exactly where I am… And exactly the reasons I struggle with staying vs. leaving.

    • Steve says:

      Leave and enter in to The Light where you will be free indeed and not bound by legalism.

      • danserns says:

        Hi Steve–

        Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

        Is obedience legalism? I hope you find this Bible study guide helpful in deepening your walk with Jesus in preparation for His soon return- http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4991/t/is-obedience-legalism.aspx

        Blessings to you,

        Dan Serns

      • Steve says:

        Obedience is a result of salvation not a prerequisite. We have no desire to obey God’s law prior to being saved. But you make sabbath or saturday worship a mandate and that is legalism. Plus it is unbiblical. And you cherry pick and use verses out of context.

      • Steve says:

        Dan, do you ever read or quote anything or anyone outside SDA doctrine? Have you ever read the reformers? Spurgeon? Pink? Or any moderns like Piper, MacArthur?

      • danserns says:

        Hi Steve–

        Sure! If you follow me on Twitter (@danserns) you will see over time retweets and quotes from many sources, including Spurgeon, Piper, MacArthur, CS Lewis, Maxwell, Ellen White, and of course, the Bible.

        And yes, Martin Luther is one of my heroes. God used him in a remarkable way to help people rediscover the Bible truth of Righteousness by Faith. And just like all of us, including the authors above, he had his flaws, such as his anti-semitism (which I think influenced his anti-Sabbatarian views) and his concept of a gospel within a gospel, attempting to elevate some parts of the Bible over others. But we can still learn lots from his life and ministry. I’ve had the privilege of visiting a number of sites in Germany related to his life.

        I realize that some have been taught that Seventh-day Adventists are not to listen to or learn from other sources but this is not true, or if it exists it is an aberration. Seventh-day Adventists operate the largest Protestant educational system in the world, with over a million students, and a visit to any of our school libraries and an examination of the reading list of any college course will show that we learn about many ideas from many sources. But it is also true that we believe every idea must be filtered through the ultimate source of truth, the Bible. Yes, God is above the Bible, but in kindness to humankind, He gave us plenty of evidence of Who He is in the Bible to help us avoid believing in false christs and false ideas of Christ. By comparing Scripture with Scripture (Isaiah 28:10) we believe it is possible to discover truth if we are willing to obey what we find (John 7:17).

        The day will come soon when all of us will have to give an account of our choices and what we have done with the truth the Lord has given us (Hebrews 4:13; 1 Peter 4:5). I am looking forward to that day, not because I am worthy to stand, but because I have put my trust in my Advocate, Jesus Christ, the Righteous One (1 John 2:1) and I am willing to follow wherever He in His Word leads (Revelation 14:1-5). And on that day I hope to see everyone one who has posted on this blog. The only way to stand in that day is through the merits of Jesus (Philippians 3:7-15), the One who Created us (and gave us the gift of the Sabbath at that time, Hebrews 1:1,2; Mark 2:27), who lived a perfect life (including obedience to all the law that He Himself gave at Mt. Sinai, Matthew 5:17-20, etc.), who died a perfect death for us and rose again , who intercedes for us right now in the Heavenly Sanctuary, and who will soon come again to take us home. Let’s keep our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). He can and will always help us live in obedience to Him when we call on Him (1 Corinthians 10:13).

        I would also like to give everyone an open invitation to visit the Richardson, Texas (USA) Seventh-day Adventist Church on the north side of Dallas. I especially would like to invite those who have had a bad experience with those who called themselves followers of Christ (of any denomination or church) but were not Christlike in their attitudes, words, actions or relationships. We are not perfect but we are fully committed to Jesus, His Word and His final mission on earth. Our worship services are on Saturday mornings at 9 and 11:30am and Sabbath School Groups for all ages and level of Bible knowledge at 10:15am. There is more information at http://www.Richardsonsda.wordpress.com and richardsonsda.org.

        Blessings to all of you,

        Dan Serns

    • polgaraHH says:

      Of course NOT, Steve, maybe you should know that SDAs are almost forbidden (by their brothers and sisters in the denomination) to read anything that has not been published by their own publishers. I remember how my SDA friends (before I left SDA) used to looked at me when they saw I have the books of Shakespeare in my home. My father, an SDA pastor, literally and publicly denounced me because I decided to study Literature and become a teacher of German language and literature as well as translator and linguist. Just as if I had chosen to become a murderer or something. There’s a reason for that: they are so (subconsciously) insecure in their theology that they are afraid that any book (even Shakespeare or Brothers Grimm) might somehow influence and tempt them, there’s no other explanation. They are a cult, after all, and such a behaviour is well expected from a cult, don’t you know? It took me twenty years to take off my SDA glasses and finally see the light. My parents still think that I lost my faith, although I never left Christ and He never abandoned me like my parents did 20 years ago (and never changed their mind that it was nothing wrong with me when I decided to study German language and world’s literature). God bless you all, and hopefully, the Holy Spirit will teach you the truth, so that you may have no more fears, even when you read even the most “dangerous” books. When you are really firm in your beliefs, NOTHING can influence and tempt you, that is the first rule not only of literature, but of psychology and religion as well.

      • Steve says:

        Thanks polgarahh. Just so you know, I am not SDA either. I was raised in a Sovreign Grace Baptist (we wer independent Calvinist), my dad was a Calvinist Baptist ordained minister, but never pastored his own church. I was saved at 17, during a sermon on the irresistible grace of God, but ran from God for many years until he pulled me back to him. I now belong to a non-denominational church, very conservative and mostly Baptistic and Presbyterian. Growing up I was milked on the likes of Luther, Gill, Calvin, Spurgeon and many others. And of course, Jesus Christ.

        I have family right now in the SDA, and a brother in a cult called the New Apostolic Church.

        Thank you for your words. I’m glad God brought you out of the darkness and into His light. Isn’t grace wonderful and liberating?

        Steve

      • Steve says:

        Polgarahh, And I’m so sorry about how you’ve been treated by your own family. But Christ came to divide also, as He said. He would set a daughter against the mother. He promises persecution for His name’s sake and what you’ve gone through with you family is only part of it. God bless you.
        Steve

  63. Rosalie van Putten says:

    I am so disappointed in most of the posted comments to this story. Instead of being glad that the author found Jesus, people are saying mean and ugly things about the author’s beliefs, telling her what she should now read, exegesing and eisogesing different Bible topics, criticizing her decision, talking about the “new covenant,” and basically being just as mean as those who she left the church to avoid.
    What has been demonstrated here by many is not a spirit of true Christianity but a spirit of false pride, haughtiness and disdain.
    No matter what the author has expressed, we should rejoice for her new walk with the Lord. Period. The criticism of her decision is not only wrong but degrading. What a shame.
    I am overjoyed that she found Jesus, very happy.

    • Steve says:

      You know in most circles the SDA is considered a cult because of its focus on works rather than salvation by the shed blood of Christ. I don’t know what you consider mean. What I’ve read are responses to a posted blog. If someone told me they found Jesus but are a practicing homosexual, I would tell them they are lying or believing a lie. Everything should be held up to scripture. What day you set aside for worship is not an essential doctrine.

    • Well said. A lot of these comments would just drive me further away from any belief, or back to the SDA church as they are worse than the problems I am having difficulty with at the moment.

      • Jane says:

        Miracle, a lot of these comments are proof of the need for the salvation God provides through His Son. We are human and as such we are far from perfection and likely to sin against God with our every breath. Many times when we sin against God we harm our fellow humans.

        Be brave. If you have found your slavation through Jesus, then no mater which church, which books, which humans helped, then YOU truly are a Miracle. Keep your heart on Jesus for He alone is perfect in all ways. Do not rely on humans for they are flawed and will ALWAYS sin.

  64. Belle C. Morley says:

    Praise GOd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. Susan says:

    I was raised a Baptist., went to church Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night and went to every revival. When i got away from home I started going to different churches, I went to church of God, Nazarene ,and even went to Jehovah witness church and finally went back to Baptist. I dont believe it matters what day you go to church as long as you ask God into your heart and you believe he died on the cross for your sins.I believe you should worship God everyday in everything you do. When religions say we are right and your wrong it turns people away from church. Everyone interprets the bible different.Do you think God is gonna hold it against you on which day you go to church ? I think not ! God bless everyone

  66. Jesse says:

    Thank you for your post and Praise God for the journey! It’s a very loving God that would go to so much trouble to lead us where He has to show us how much He loves us! It’s so good to hear someone else that can relate to my own experience. Although I didn’t really find Jesus until I came back to a living and genuine SDA church.
    Once you begin to see who Jesus is, you can’t help but to see the hypocrisy caused by insecurity caused by a lack of relationship with Him. But, when I got to know Jesus a little better, He helped me see that everything He did here on Earth was for only one purpose; saving the lost because He loves them so much. Once we recognize that stale ‘Christians’ of ANY denomination are lost, if we don’t feel a deep urge to reach out to them in love and do everything we can to lead them into a much more genuine relationship with Him, I’d have to say we may be in danger of missing the point of following Christ, aka Christianity. I know I’m guilty of seeing the hypocrisy in many Churches and not feeling the deep need to help them. When we realized what was wrong with the church(es), I feel like we were given a special mission and responsibility to serve as missionaries in our churches. Thanks again for sharing! I’m so glad to hear your encouraging story and I’m praying for God to keeping blessing and leading you. :) I’m looking forward to reading more later and would love to keep in touch!

  67. Lester Travor Forbes says:

    I also took a detour of 24 years . I am glad to say that Romans 15. 1 was the vers that stuck from pathfinders days in my head. It is the prayers of others that follows us. Ones a Seventday Aventist always an Adventist. Glad to share with you that I am presently the local headelder of the Rosedale Seventhday Adventist chuch in Uitenhage . Eastern cape.south africa and the Lord bless abundantly…God bless

  68. Kay says:

    Jesus didn’t specifically mention the commandment, ” Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”, but that doesn’t mean it is OK to do so. Saying Jesus didn’t mention the 4th commandment is wrong. Mark 2: 27, 28 Jesus was specific about the Sabbath.

    There are a lot of things not in the NT that would be wrong to do, ex: don’t eat rocks. Just because it’s not there doesn’t meant we can eat rocks.

    It’s not what you do that saves you, it’s Who you know. When you know Jesus, the doing gets done because of Love.

  69. Ray says:

    Point after point of truth should be investigated, for there is no limitation to the truth of God, and in its study a most lively interest should be felt by both teachers and pupils, that they may know what God hath said. For years the voice of God has been saying to us, “Agitate, agitate, agitate.” Study every point of truth, that you may know for yourselves what is truth in distinction from error. Let students search for themselves, that they may know the deep things of God. Let this work be done in the Spirit of Christ. Put no restriction upon the students……….Sabbath School Worker, April 1, 1892 (Heart Work in Sabbath School Teacher and Scholar)

    it always interests me to watch from a distance the interaction between people of differing beliefs and doctrines. Other religions can be invited into the pulpits of Adventism and into the classrooms of the same and teach other things that do not agree with the church, but let someone else come into the discussion who has put their feelings on the line and wants the same freedom given to them as we ask of other religions ourselves, and all of a sudden we get ‘protective.’ Yet over and over again EGW speaks loudly, be it ever so fervently, to let the mind be agitated to know and be sure of the ground that is claimed as truth is solid. But instead, when someone becomes very emotional in their reply or attempt to speak as loudly as we want to be heard ourselves, we tell them they are becoming confrontational or angry. Who has made us judge and jury? What does it hurt to study deeper and find those deeper things that God has waiting to us to see by deep study?

    Some tremendous things have been presented here (on both sides of the fence) and if we miss them we will miss an opportunity to grow in the Word of God and to see the precious jewels of Truth that God has given for all to see.

  70. Louis Cruz says:

    Jonathan’
    The Book of Hebrews actually confirms that Adventist belief and not the opposite. You must study this book keeping the rest of the Bible in mind. Hebrews is not an isolated book…Paul is trying to convince the jews that they don’t need to look to the temple in the earth anymore cause there is a “heavenly temple or sanctuary” and a “high priest Jesus”. This is what Adventist believe. Hebrews 7 and 8 shows Christ as the high priest and Hebrews 9 shows that there is a heavenly sanctuary where Christ intercedes so we don’t have to be sacrificing anymore because the blood of bulls never actually cleansed us from our sins but were a type of Christ’s ministry.

    God bless!

    • Ray says:

      Louis, Hebrews is a very important book of the Bible and says far more then you have revealed in your statement. The one thing that so many of us have missed is the rest of the story of the Priesthood of Christ and just what it means to be a Melchizedek Priest instead of a Levitical priest. This is a very important subject and it would behoove us to look very closely at what is said instead of picking out certain parts of the book and interpreting them to match a doctrine we hold to that has been accepted by the church as a body of worshipers or has been duly voted on by a committee as being the truth. Neither of those ways decides truth, but instead it is what God says from beginning to end that is the foundation we are to stand on.

    • Jonathan White says:

      Why do you assume I read Hebrews without knowing the rest of the bible.
      I read from both the old and new testaments every day. More importantly, before I read, I ask God to speak to me and show me what He saying through the words.

      Every day.

      God speaks to me.

      God is the one who has brought me to my convictions.

      I don’t say that to mean that I am right and that everyone else is wrong, but please don’t discount my convictions as God has led me here.

  71. Nadine says:

    Powerful testimony indeed. Too many are can probably identify because they exalt problems, experiences and excuses above thus saith the word…even though, in deed and fact God did command us to love one another. We are however bounded by our knowledge and love of God and the ‘thus saith the Lord’. I trust that we can all continue to hold on to God and His word and forget, though hard it may be, these relationships that the enemy uses to destroy us and our concept of who our loving God is.

    I just love Him and the way He does whatever it takes to draw us back into His loving arms..What a mighty God we serve :)

  72. I have written two books about Adventist people and their experiences within Adventism. In both books, the characters were challenged to hold on to their faith while dealing with some very mean-spirited people in the church and schools. Sometimes it seems that people who keep their faith do so despite their fellow church members, and I wonder why that is so often the case. While I don’t believe this problem is unique to Adventist congregations, I have heard stories like yours from within Adventism often enough to wonder what that Sunday-keeping congregation who was so loving might be doing that made them able to embrace you more effectively than did your own home church. Were you able to take something with you from that experience that could help Adventist congregations become more embracing?

    Debra Anne Wintsmith, Author
    Precious Jewels, A Seventh-Day Adventist Family Saga
    Church School Blues

    • Rosalie van Putten says:

      Debra, we are not alone in this experience. People of every faith on the globe experience mean-spirited people. Why? Because we are born in sin and shaped in iniquity. There is nothing good about us, and yet we go to church. Our righteousness, as Isaiah says, is nothing but nasty, bloody rags in the face of a righteous God

      Some of us were raised in homes where being mean was the order of the day. We grew up abused, watching abuse, hearing horrible things, fighting, and then we go to church. That mean spirit is still there as we grow. Unless we actively give it to Jesus, we will never rid ourselves of these sinful tendencies. But we need to be in church. Because if the mean-spirit folks stop going to church and stop worshiping, they will limit their resources for positive growth. (Limit, not remove altogether.)

      We have to be tolerant of others. We do not know their struggle and they do not know ours. Heaven will be a place of surprises. The biggest surprise will be that we made it!

  73. polgaraHH says:

    Dear Phillipe, on what biblical ground do you claim such a thing, please?

  74. dorcas dadzie says:

    vivien i thank God for showing you the way and that proves He is a true God.

  75. Steve says:

    Based on what. When Christ comes there will be those whose names were written in the Lamb’s Book of Life and those whose names were not.

  76. Jonathan White says:

    This blog has 170 comments, mostly about doctrinal disagreements.
    I realized that what I wrote was provocative, especially in this setting, and maybe I should have not been so outspoken.

    Or maybe it’s a healthy conversation?

    Either way, I am disappointed in many of the responses.

    It’s affirming a picture I have of Adventists that I saw a couple months ago. Like the Israelites when Moses was on the mountain. They were used to gods that you could put your hands on and they had a hard time worshiping a real God who was less tangible so they made the golden calf as a physical representation of God so the could (figuratively) wrap their hands around Him. Adventists are still doing this today. They aren’t comfortable with a mysterious God and so they reduce Him to a collection of beliefs and behaviors and doctrines that are neat and understandable. Essentially using the bible as the God they can wrap their hands around instead of letting it reveal the God who it tells of.

    God is bigger than the Sabbath,
    God is bigger than doctrines,
    God is bigger than our opinions of Him.
    God is bigger than the bible.

  77. Heather says:

    why has my comment not been published?

  78. Martins Nkume says:

    I will reply talk to you soon! about God, The Bible, the Adventist church, my experience and Jesus Christ.

  79. danserns says:

    Dear friends–

    When I posted this testimony by Vivienne four days ago I had no idea there would be such a wide ranging discussion. I have tried to approve all comments except those that were spam or had very hateful references to a person or organization in them. I think you can see, if you have read this far in the 180+ comments, that I was very generous in allowing almost every idea imaginable through, even though some had little to do with the original post. Thanks to all who took the time to post. I hope you have found the comments interesting and helpful in your walk with Jesus. I am now closing the comments on this post.

    The day will come soon when all of us will have to give an account of our choices and what we have done with the truth the Lord has given us (Hebrews 4:13; 1 Peter 4:5). I am looking forward to that day, not because I am worthy to stand, but because I have put my trust in my Advocate, Jesus Christ, the Righteous One (1 John 2:1) and I am willing to follow wherever He in His Word leads (Revelation 14:1-5). And on that day I hope to see everyone one who has posted on this blog. The only way to stand in that day is through the merits of Jesus (Philippians 3:7-15), the One who Created us (and gave us the gift of the Sabbath at that time, Hebrews 1:1,2; Mark 2:27), who lived a perfect life (including obedience to all the law that He Himself gave at Mt. Sinai, Matthew 5:17-20, etc.), who died a perfect death for us and rose again , who intercedes for us right now in the Heavenly Sanctuary (Hebrews 7:25), and who will soon come again to take us home. Let’s keep our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). He can and will always help us live in obedience to Him when we call on Him (1 Corinthians 10:13). Like He did with Vivienne, He will guide us to Himself and His truth if we let Him (Proverbs 4:18; John 16:13; Ephesians 4:15). Let’s pray for each other that this will be the experience of us all.

    I would also like to give everyone an open invitation to visit the Richardson, Texas (USA) Seventh-day Adventist Church on the north side of Dallas. I especially would like to invite those who have had a bad experience with those who called themselves followers of Christ (of any denomination or church) but were not Christlike in their attitudes, words, actions or relationships. We are not perfect but we are fully committed to Jesus, His Word and His final mission on earth. Our worship services are on Saturday mornings at 9 and 11:30am and Sabbath School Groups for all ages and level of Bible knowledge at 10:15am. There is more information at http://www.Richardsonsda.wordpress.com and richardsonsda.org.

    Blessings to all of you,

    Dan Serns

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